Hello! And....help?

Cleaverton

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Yay! I finally got approved! I'm a new Newfie mommy to George. He is 9 1/2 weeks old & I've had him for 2 weeks. Yes, got him too early, but the rest of his litter mates were all going to their homes within a few days of each other, so we went ahead and got him, knowing we would have to teach bite inhibition - which is going really well, other than when it comes to my 6 yr old, 6 lb Pom. George torments her all the time and is way too rough with her - he injured her eye this morning (not bad, just watery & blinking mostly). Meg, the Pom, stays on the couch at all times, but if she is sleeping near the edge, George thinks she is fair game. He's on his "umbilical cord" most of the time, unless we are working on commands and training (or I'm trying to wear him out), but if he sees her at all, it's game on. She is a dainty little thing and she tries to "love" on him when I try to socialize them. She will try to clean his eyes and face - and he just tries to attack her feet and chest/neck hair. I have to potty them separately and feed separately. She only gets down to play and stretch out, move around, etc when he is crated for his afternoon nap. Any insight or suggestions? He was 16 lbs the other day, so he's quite a bit bigger than her.

Thanks!
Christi
 

Cleaverton

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This is George and Meg. It took a while & several rewards for sitting & leaving her alone to get this pic. He's so beautiful!
 

Cleaverton

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Thank you Jacqui! While waiting for approval I've been obsessively reading on here lol lots of good advice & newf love on here :)
 

Cleaverton

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I'm not sure if this is allowed, but I have a blog (mostly pics & recipes, etc). I did a blog post about George today - so lots of pics! I am an amateur photographer, but the pics aren't very good. It's raining and dreary here, so not much light. I adjusted for the light & to edit in PS - but, my trackpad on my MacBook Pro, for whatever reason, won't hardly work. So, I couldn't slide any adjustments for color, contrast, etc. So the pics look a little blown out. He's still 100% adorable though!

http://www.frombosslady.com/2014/06/two-weeks-with-george-newfie-puppy.html
 
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victoria1140

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Hello from the UK,my advice would be to tire the little one out first or do some training with the two of them so they learn to bond.
 

Cleaverton

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Thank you! I appreciate all advice! I'm working on "play nice" and he responds well when he knows and is expecting treats. Most of the time lol But, I'll act like I'm not watching him, but will really be watching him. He will be staring at her up on the couch and will hunker down like a cat - front paws & chest on the floor, butt up in the air - and will suddenly and stealthily pounce. It's his favorite thing to do and he does it constantly. I tell him down & he gets down & gets a treat. But, just a few minutes ago, he had her by the hair & almost had her drug off the couch in a split second. He can't jump on the couch yet, but he can reach pretty far back on it. I really really need to get this under control as it won't be but a few weeks before he will be able to get all the way on. He is tethered to me nearly all the time - but I'm an adult with things to do (I work from home), so I can't give him my constant, undivided attention. He gets most of my attention, but I do have to be on phone calls and such. If some of my clients could see some of my antics, like throwing a leg up to block him and scooping him or her up at the last minute, all while remaining professional and not losing my train of thought in the conversation lol.
 

Puppypeoplenj

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One of my favorite pieces of advice I got was "don't give them a chance to practice things you don't want them to do." I'd watch him and correct him AS SOON as he gets in "pouncing" position, and not give him the chance to start the jump. If you can't have that constant eye on him to catch him before he jumps, I'd have him crated. Just so you know, I'm working hard to follow my own advice to teach my 7month old puppy not to counter surf for food, so I know it is reallyreallyreally hard. :)
 

Cleaverton

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Thank you. I just posted a long winded post on Facebook because he literally jumped up and drug Meg off the couch. I'm with him at least 22 hours a day. I schedule my errands in the afternoon while he's taking his nap. Other than that, I'm actively with him. He works daily on training, commands and exercise - and is a genius when it comes to everything but Meg. I couldn't have dreamed how well he has taken to everything else. After his nap today, he went potty & got a drink, then I played with him (fetch - sometimes he actually does fetch) and with his frozen pupcicle. Then took him out for about a 15 minute walk on leash (he does great on leash). It's really hot and humid here, so 15 minutes is about all he needs in this heat. Brought him back in to work on sit, stay, down, etc. - probably another 15 minutes of that. Then I brought Meg down in the floor and worked on "play nice" (bless her heart, she doesn't run from him or growl, bite, try to get away, when I bring her down to socialize). He does pretty good with "play nice" if there are rewards involved. He started getting a little rough, so I separated them & put her back up on the couch & continued to work with him & exercise him in the house where it was cool. I took him back outside for another walk (about 20 minutes this time) and he flopped down on the grass, so I knew he was getting tired. I took him back in the house (he even sits for the door to be opened & waits for me to enter). I took him off leash when we got back inside to see if he had learned any manners. Nope! Meg was sleeping on the couch and he immediately ran to her, jumped up, latched onto her hair around her neck and drug her in the floor! I scolded him with NO! And he looked at me and bit her as I was putting her (all dazed and confused) back onto the couch. I put him back on leash and ignored him & he laid down and went back to sleep. Meg is a Pomeranian, but the most laid back, easy going dog on the planet. She doesn't like it when the grand kids roughhouse with her, but never barks or growls or bites at them. She simply lays there and looks at me like "really?" She is not food aggressive or jealous or needy. She's not hyper or nippy or otherwise spastic at all. She's perfectly content laying on the couch sleeping and minding her own business - she just doesn't particularly care for getting drug off of the couch though! She never offers even to growl or bite at him when he does this either. She will yelp because she's startled or he's hurt her though. When he is actively being trained to "play nice", she will love on him and lick his face and eyes very gently, but she's cautious about it.

I wanted a puppy as opposed to an adult dog because I wanted to socialize properly with Meg and the grand kids. But, wow, he's a handful when it comes to her! He does everything else remarkably well. So, what am I doing wrong (this is my first newf, but, by far not my first dog - and I did three years of research on the breed and finding "the" puppy. He hasn't even had a single mess in his crate and it's a large crate that isn't partitioned off. He whines and wakes me up & I take him out. About every other day he sleeps straight through till 6:00 or 6:30 am. Other nights, he's up about 4:00 am to go out, but goes right back to sleep till 6:30 ish. He is seriously the easiest puppy I've ever had to train, except for this one issue - which isn't something I need to take lightly.
 

ElvisTheNewf

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He thinks she's his toy. I wouldn't bother putting her on the floor with him and encouraging him to "play nice". You're telling him to play, which he is, but he plays rough. Frankly I'm surprised she hasn't snapped at him - usually older dogs don't hesitate to put pups in their place.
 

Cleaverton

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I think he thinks she's a toy, too. His real toys, like his stuffies, he shakes, so I've been pretty protective of Meg. I think he knows I'm complaining about him though. He was asleep on the a/c vent so I took her out to potty and let her walk across the dining room when we came back in and he heard her and came running up behind her, but surprisingly was good with her for a few minutes. I hesitate to completely separate them because I don't want them to get jealous of each other or him to think she's a "high value" toy when he does get a chance to see her.

On another note, I've had to establish myself as alpha with him and teach him that I go first and he earns his food, etc. my husband, on the other hand, gets automatic alpha status without having to do anything except live here. He's a big tattooed biker, so maybe George just knows. Anyway, hubby is a tattoo artist and when he came home from the shop today, was when George was nicer to Meg. We will see how he does. I did mix up some apple cider vinegar & water, but am undecided on if that is a good or a bad idea.

I just love him to pieces and want so badly for this one issue to get resolved.
 

MC Sullivan

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Welcome! Sounds like you have your hands full. I'd work on a "leave it" command, which will eventually apply to everything you do not want him to get into or bother. Also I would consider using some redirection when he wants to "play" with your pom. Like have a special toy that you give him to direct his energy away from rough housing. I also agree that as soon as you see that he is getting into the pounce or tackle mode intervene, don't let the behavior escalate. Good luck!
 

Cleaverton

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By the way, she has snapped at him a time or two, but not very convincingly. She knows he's a baby and she is very gentle.
 

Cleaverton

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Thanks! I will work on leave it and a really good treat! Lol he's on leash a lot on the house, but I do let him off for exercise and training - and laying on the a/c vents lol my breeder suggested leash the whole time in the house and a tug and leave it when he tries to mess with the Pom as that's the method she uses with success.
 

R Taft

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i would only have supervised contact and this is where you have to be tough..find a "time-out place". I would allow contact and as soon as it is rough..pup goes to ''time-out''...this might happen a hundred times in one day. this is partly the reason why puppies should stay in the litter longer. they get to learn the appropriate dog manners. the mother is often less tolerant and she will teach and the other pups do the same. you will see if you see a litter of pups and a pup gets tough or rude it gets ignored by its littermates. you can only do this by time-out...i say nothing to mine when i pulled them away. Because he is small, when you allow the contact time, have a lead on him.As oon as he is rough or even rude. Say nothing and pull him away, just place him in the time out area. about 5 minutes allow him back..say nothing, supervise, rough/rude, pull him away to time-out and so on...it is how i teach my dogs gentle play..when they do play or touch gentle i say "gentle, good dog" or even reward those moments. This repatative boring stuff will lead to your dog knowing the word "gentle" and so you can let the big dogs out with the puppies and just say "gentle" and that is what you get.......We have two young one year olds and four adults and sometimes they want to be rough, but from all of this repetitive "time-out" and rewarding the soft play or polite moments , they learn....Now if i say "gentle" it all shuts down........If they get rough/rude, i still do time-out. I find it really important not to tell them off as that is attention..i say nothing on the way in to time-out and when i let them out. the ignore is the "punishment" dogs hate being alone and ignored.....One thing, don't make time out too far away, just around the corner of a room will do, behind a gate for a puppy....and never too long, but also do not let them out if they are howling, just wait for the quiet moment. It should work for you.
 
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Cleaverton

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Thank you everybody! I have him a time out place set up now that is separate from his sleeping crate. I wish he would have been able to stay with his litter mates until 10 weeks, but all the others were going to their forever homes so it would have been pointless to leave him there. I'll let everybody know how he progresses.
 

AngusMcDubhsMom

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He is still just a baby himself, but since he is with you now you have to deal with the reality of it. Good advice from everyone here. Crate him or time outs, leave-it, supervise when they're together and as soon as he's old enough, get him to a puppy kindergarten class too. Other pups will teach him some manners. My older Newf rarely corrected my latest (she's 11, he's now over 2) so he was shocked when she finally did reach the end of her rope, so to speak. But a tiny Pom is no match for a rambunctious Newf pup. I don't think you're doing anything wrong; you just have a different kind of pup who needs some direction. Hang in there. and Welcome, George!!

added: Ronnie Taft is right about not "telling him off" also. I noticed a long time ago that my trainer was very quiet and didn't yell except for commands or praises, but he had such a presence about him the dogs paid attention. I tend to be a chatterbox and they'd tune me out. Duh.
 
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R Taft

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added: Ronnie Taft is right about not "telling him off" also. I noticed a long time ago that my trainer was very quiet and didn't yell except for commands or praises, but he had such a presence about him the dogs paid attention. I tend to be a chatterbox and they'd tune me out. Duh.
AND...............if you do ever tell them off in a loud voice , when something really happens, Like dogs chasing bunnies in a pack towards a bad area........they listen, I think becuase they are shocked and amazed (maybe a little worried as mama bear never yells)
;) Ronnie
 

Cleaverton

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Thanks! When my hubby got home the other night & I was in fixing dinner, hubby was sitting on the couch with Meg and playing with George (who was in the floor) and George lunged at Meg & "daddy" got on him like a mama dog. George has been an angel with Meg ever since! He kisses her & is very gentle with her. He didn't pout or anything like that - but he did "apologize" to daddy by living on him & giving him lots of kisses. He's been doing great ever since! Except I was gone a teensy but longer than I anticipate today & he peed in his crate & laid in it (first time he's done that). He got a bath out of the deal, which he liked - so hope he doesn't decide that's a cool thing to do ;)
 
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