FuzzyDustBunnies
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Any Newf-Netters coming to the itty bitty show in Freeport Il? 14 entries. I'll be there on Saturday the 28th to get my Newfie fix. 
Kelly
Kelly
Freeport show 9/28-29
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sarnewfie
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Hi kelly
i was going to go, but after seeing the horrible shape our beloved breed is in at the cluster show in town here: meaning awful fronts that hurt to look at them running, i am not showing much any more, judges are placing crippled dogs over healthy dogs and it makes me sick to see that, there was a female in morgans class that was dragging her rear feet on the matts when she ran, her rear end was so weak, yet she beat a structurally correct landseer, go figure, the judges are looking for type, not structure, they look for the prettiest standing newf, not the best moving newf. dont know if the same bunch that was in manitowoc will be there by you, but pay special attention to the health of our newfs, the Conformation ring is not for me.
i will not contribute points to crippleds.
even though sydney won his class, the only reason he did was becouse the other dog was landseer, had there been a black he would have lost i am sure.
This post is not meant to start a war, but to open eyes to what is going on in our newfs, the same thing happened to the GSD and it is here now, i saw this coming years ago when newfs were toeing in, now they are bow legged in the fronts and the pasterns are so badly formed the front legs are swinging out at the sides and it apears the pasterns have deformaties that slips the joint, one newf tripped several times due to the pastern.
i wish breeders would open their eyes to the crippleds that i saw.
These newfs sure are pretty when STANDING though.
i was going to go, but after seeing the horrible shape our beloved breed is in at the cluster show in town here: meaning awful fronts that hurt to look at them running, i am not showing much any more, judges are placing crippled dogs over healthy dogs and it makes me sick to see that, there was a female in morgans class that was dragging her rear feet on the matts when she ran, her rear end was so weak, yet she beat a structurally correct landseer, go figure, the judges are looking for type, not structure, they look for the prettiest standing newf, not the best moving newf. dont know if the same bunch that was in manitowoc will be there by you, but pay special attention to the health of our newfs, the Conformation ring is not for me.
i will not contribute points to crippleds.
even though sydney won his class, the only reason he did was becouse the other dog was landseer, had there been a black he would have lost i am sure.
This post is not meant to start a war, but to open eyes to what is going on in our newfs, the same thing happened to the GSD and it is here now, i saw this coming years ago when newfs were toeing in, now they are bow legged in the fronts and the pasterns are so badly formed the front legs are swinging out at the sides and it apears the pasterns have deformaties that slips the joint, one newf tripped several times due to the pastern.
i wish breeders would open their eyes to the crippleds that i saw.
These newfs sure are pretty when STANDING though.
FuzzyDustBunnies
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I guess my next question would be why would people show a dog that isn't structurally sound? I have only been to 2 dog shows in my life...and know so little about that realm of the world. Conformation is something that I know I could never do...I go to see the dogs. I guess I thought that ALL dogs that are in the ring are "show quality"...and that by going I'd be able to get a better understanding on what a sound dog looks like. Now my eyes are open to things I never thought of. Thank you for pointing that out to me. I'll have to take off my rose colored glasses while I am there and take a better look.
Kelly
Kelly
FuzzyDustBunnies
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I have learned SO much while doing research on Newfoundlands...things I had never thought of before. My Golden came from a BYB 10 years ago...I knew literally nothing about health clearances, and all that jazz. All I knew was what kind of dog I wanted. In my case, a dog means an addition to the family...so my biggest concerns are health and temperament. That's what I'll be looking for above all others. My next question...which should probably be in a different catagory, but I'll ask anyway ....if bad hips are somewhere in the line...say 4 generations back...and everyone since then has good hips...what are the probabilites that a litter will produce weak hips? Is this something that by careful breeding you can virtually eliminate? How far back will a breeder know what health clearances are in the lines? I'm sure anything can happen when I think about the probabilities when dealing with generations.
I'll probably keep myself awake tonight by thinking about all of this!
Kelly
....if bad hips are somewhere in the line...say 4 generations back...and everyone since then has good hips...what are the probabilites that a litter will produce weak hips? Is this something that by careful breeding you can virtually eliminate? How far back will a breeder know what health clearances are in the lines? I'm sure anything can happen when I think about the probabilities when dealing with generations. I'll probably keep myself awake tonight by thinking about all of this!
Kelly
sarnewfie
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Here is my 2 cents worth.
i use BOTH penn hip and ofa.
wich one is right wich one wrong?
it is a matter of opinion and a matter of health in the longevity of particular lines.
nothing is gauranteed, genetics environment, diet all play a role, they still have not found the marker for proving it strictly genetic.
there was a study done in germany, 12 generations cleared hips on GSD, than all of a sudden a litter on the ground proven displastic, all out of sound proven lines.
it is still a mystery, growth rates are something i am suspicious of being contributors to the displayscia.
Morgan has an excellent penn hip score, got her ofa results, it is good not the excelletn the vet and i thought it would be, (now she has to eat her shoes *G*)
morgan also has one elbow cleared and one has grade one djd
am i still going to use her?
you bet, only i will only breed to cleared males in the elbows dept. there are still to many variables out there.
she is never ever showed any sign of problems in that leg ever, she jumps the log in our yard effortlessly she jumps on my grooming table light as a feather, she swims and is active and never shows any signs of trouble.
the patellas passed to.
she is cystinuria normal, and cerfed in the eyes.
thyroid normal.
anyway...
getting back to the show coming to your town, pay special attention to "toeing in" pigeon toed.
the ones i saw from a particular line wich is taboo to say, were really severe. other faults are being seen more also, gay tails, malmute type curled tails, and light brown eyes.
front legs should reach forward, not go out at the side when bringing the leg forward.
there is a landseer showing in open dog, owned by karen plansky, look for him, he has REACH AND DRIVE watch him run, he struts right out, such is not being seen much anymore.
that is why i went to Ralees Winddancer, he is as close to perfect in movement as possible, and it shows in most of his offspring.
just becouse a dog wins ribbons does not mean it meets the standard, judges are placing type over structure and movement, they are encouraging pretty standing dogs that cant function over beatiful correct moving dogs.
it is truly sad and why i am showing UKC now and going to canada.
i use BOTH penn hip and ofa.
wich one is right wich one wrong?
it is a matter of opinion and a matter of health in the longevity of particular lines.
nothing is gauranteed, genetics environment, diet all play a role, they still have not found the marker for proving it strictly genetic.
there was a study done in germany, 12 generations cleared hips on GSD, than all of a sudden a litter on the ground proven displastic, all out of sound proven lines.
it is still a mystery, growth rates are something i am suspicious of being contributors to the displayscia.
Morgan has an excellent penn hip score, got her ofa results, it is good not the excelletn the vet and i thought it would be, (now she has to eat her shoes *G*)
morgan also has one elbow cleared and one has grade one djd
am i still going to use her?
you bet, only i will only breed to cleared males in the elbows dept. there are still to many variables out there.
she is never ever showed any sign of problems in that leg ever, she jumps the log in our yard effortlessly she jumps on my grooming table light as a feather, she swims and is active and never shows any signs of trouble.
the patellas passed to.
she is cystinuria normal, and cerfed in the eyes.
thyroid normal.
anyway...
getting back to the show coming to your town, pay special attention to "toeing in" pigeon toed.
the ones i saw from a particular line wich is taboo to say, were really severe. other faults are being seen more also, gay tails, malmute type curled tails, and light brown eyes.
front legs should reach forward, not go out at the side when bringing the leg forward.
there is a landseer showing in open dog, owned by karen plansky, look for him, he has REACH AND DRIVE watch him run, he struts right out, such is not being seen much anymore.
that is why i went to Ralees Winddancer, he is as close to perfect in movement as possible, and it shows in most of his offspring.
just becouse a dog wins ribbons does not mean it meets the standard, judges are placing type over structure and movement, they are encouraging pretty standing dogs that cant function over beatiful correct moving dogs.
it is truly sad and why i am showing UKC now and going to canada.
FuzzyDustBunnies
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Thank you both for your replies. I guess it all comes back to what I thought a few months back. Nothing can be guaranteed. A person can put every bit of their knowledge into a breeding and still have health problems through no fault of their own.
I have found the 2 boards I frequent to be a wealth of information. I wish there were someone close by to me that would "take me under their wing" so to speak to show me all I need to know! I would love to see all apsects of training in different areas, grooming, all of it in motion. I find it all very intriguing.
Kelly
I have found the 2 boards I frequent to be a wealth of information. I wish there were someone close by to me that would "take me under their wing" so to speak to show me all I need to know! I would love to see all apsects of training in different areas, grooming, all of it in motion. I find it all very intriguing.
Kelly
sarnewfie
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While i commend the breeder you know karen, i also know several who fed BARF or RAW and have had their share of problems with hips, it is not the cure all that many would like to believe.
if it were we all would be feeding raw.
though it may work well for one breeders line of dogs, it may not for another.
not meaning any disrespect here either.
if it were we all would be feeding raw.
though it may work well for one breeders line of dogs, it may not for another.
not meaning any disrespect here either.