Fearful Newf.

Mungo

New member
Hi there.
We recently took in a one-year old Newfie, whom we named Mungo.
We were told the reason for rehoming him was allergies
But it turned out that the poor boy had been left outside all his life - no socialization, and no training.

(BTW we're not new to Newfies. We just recently lost our 12-year-old to cancer, and have a nearly 11-year-old rescue, whom I call a Newfie mess! He's small, has HD, but is such a sweetie.)

It was apparent our Mungo's the product of a backyard breeder. But we love him regardless.
He's scared of everything, objects and noises, and I mean everything - inside and outside.
He's actually been doing well with getting used to the 'monsters'. We've let him do it all at his pace - nice and slowly.

When we got him, he had a flat collar.
We soon found out he could back out of that in a flash.
So we put a Martingale on him, and did very small training sessions with him. He was doing good.
Then a couple of weeks ago, when playing, he started jumping on us and mouthing us. We got control of it then. But then he started challenging on leash, all the time. I'm pretty sure that's the adolescent in him? (He's not neutered yet. We do plan on doing it, but have just got him going willingly in to the vehicle. A trip to the vet is going to take a wee bit more time.)

After doing some research, we decided to try a prong collar on him. I've never had the need for one before, so have never used one, and was a bit nervous about it.
We live in the boonies, and I was very excited when I was told about a trainer not too far away from us. She would fit the collar properly, and show us the correct use.
We made a point of telling the trainer that Mungo was scared of everything, and we let him get used to the collar before even putting it on him.
When she did, and walked him, they came across an object our boy was scared of. And he stopped, and tried to pull out of the collar.
The trainer kept telling him to heel, with a light correction.
When he still didn't budge, she really yanked hard on it. And he yelped.
I lost it then. I don't believe there's ever any reason to use such force on a dog. I took the leash away from her, and led our even more scared dog away from her.
Since then, he's become scared of many of the things he'd already conquered. And is now barking at them.
I'm not sure what the right thing is to do now? I have put the leash back on him when he starts to bark, and taken him to what he considers is a safe place. (He does have a safe place in the house too.)
Should I only take him outside on leash for now?
I'm scared I'm going to make things even worse for him, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Other than the above, he's a sweetheart. Loves to lean in to me for pets, rubs, and hugs. And is so gentle taking treats, etc.
Sorry this is so long - didn't mean to write a book!

Who in their right mind could ignore this sweet boy!


ETA I remembered today I had a Thundershirt that we bought for one of our boys years ago.
It didn't work for him, but I'm hoping it might help Mungo even a little.
It's lying near his safe area (a pen - he doesn't like the crate), where he can get used to it.
Fingers crossed!
 
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Jeannie

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First off I want to say IMO you over reacted to the trainer's correction and him yelping. I am an instructor at our local club plus I do private lessons. I highly recommend a prong even over choker. Almost all dogs will yelp at their first correction. Generally it is a surprise that they understand since it mimics how mommy dog would correct a puppy. I always warn my clients that their dog may react by yelping but I am not hurting the dog. If they seem doubtful I have a small prong collar I put on their upper arm and do a correction. Then they understand.

I adopted a newf from rescue at 1 year of age. She also was kept in a yard with no socialization. I had the opposite problem: She thought she had to 'get' everything. She over reacted almost to the point of aggression. She had bitten 2 people before I got her. She came at me once and only once. It took 2 weeks of constant 'battle' and one day like a light switch she just accepted that life had rules and boundaries. So I kind of know what your are dealing with.

If your dog is afraid of everything you are not helping by drawing attention to what he is afraid of. You need to act like everything is fine. He will feed off your anxiety. If you come across something he is afraid of turn into him and walk in a small circle to get his mind off it and continue on.

I'd get him in the car. Make it fun. Give him a treat or feed him in the car. I don't see how him just getting over his fear of cars is a reason not to take him to the vet. I'd have him neutered ASAP. When you get to the vet take him for a short walk, let him sniff around so he does not associate the car with the vet.

I'd not take him to what he considers his safe place. That is like running away. Just stand there. Don't talk to him, don't make eye contact. Just let him figure it out. Again taking him to his safe place is you acknowledging his fear and telling him it is OK. Walk in a small circle or just stand there. Don't try to talk to him to reassure him. Talking to him in a sweet voice is positive reinforcement. So you are telling him he is doing the correct behavior that you want. Do anything to divert his attention be it a leash correction or as I stated before walking in a small circle. Standing still will also allow him to face his fears. Do not go back to his safe place.

All this being said remember all dogs will go through different fear stages as they mature. He is going to be more afraid since he has not experienced a lot.
 

Mungo

New member
Thank you for answering.
I want to preface this by saying I am not being defensive in any way with my response. I've been around forums long enough to know that sometimes what's written can be taken the wrong way. I value and thank you for your opinion.

After doing research, and watching oodles of Youtube trainer videos, I am ok with using a prong collar. At the same time, I saw how they corrected dogs, and it was all done without forceful yanking. But what I saw was not a 'pop', it was a full-out, give-it-everything yank. I will never agree to that.
I did try it on my leg, and a pop is fine. A full yank is not.
I am now using the prong collar, without yanking.

We've consistently made a point of staying calm and not drawing attention to Mungo's fears, or to him. We just talk like normal between us (not to him).
That is what has worked for us up till the training session.

To get him into the vehicle, we used treats.
And we've taken wee drives to get him used to travelling.
While he is doing better, he is still stressed. We will keep working on that, a bit at a time.
But I am not going to stress him out any more until he's ready.
Doing so seems to make things worse, like it did after the training episode.
So I'm not willing to push it.

I definitely will try walking him in a small circle when he starts barking to redirect him. I can actually see that working with him - so thank you!
 

Jeannie

Super Moderator
Wow, I assumed the trainer used a pop not a yank. That is so wrong. That is punishment not correction. I can see how that would cause a set back. Only you know your dog and how fast to move on. Please keep us posted. When in the car is there anyway someone can be in back with him and give him rewards/treats as you travel?
 

Mungo

New member
We have a truck, and there's not lots of room in the passenger cab when he's in there. But it's worth a try.
Thank you.
 

victoria1140

Active member
Sometimes you can never 100% get them over being fearful but if they get to trust you it goes a long way.

Rescues always start showing their problems when they are more settled in their environment so in a way it's a good thing you are getting to see stuff now.

I used to smear beef paste on a cleaned part of the bumper if my car so that our first Newf would get to like it,also just sitting in the car without it going anywhere used to help a lot plus a packet of ginger biscuits as l used to take a cup if tea and just chill out

Sounds weird but read to him as well as he will get used to different tones and play some audio books for him so he gets used to different voices.

I use gencons and dogmatic headcollars and have used a prong once on one of our girls who pulled like a steam train.it helped her though l didn't use it for long.
I don't agree with forcing him to face a situation unless you've built up to it in small stages and l am a believer in a rescue dog having a safe place so long as they are willing to share it with you.

I wouldn't stop going out with him but do it in smaller trips to start with and build him up to it.

A lot of rescue retraining is three steps forward and two back and also lots of baby steps as no point forcing a nervous dog to face a situation until they have built up to it in small steps.

Just keep working with him and he will get to some stages where he will be comfy.
Is he a high energy newf as you could consider agility work.

If you can swim him first before training that can also help as if he's tired his reactions won't be as high due to excess energy.

He's lovely and hope everything works out
 
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