Contracts

Kodabear

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Well, the reason I brought up the contract and moving residences, is because she wouldn't let us take him with us anyway. We asked her about it today, when we realized she wouldn't even consider my parents. She said she would not even let us bring him there with us, which is fair I think because we will live in a smaller place. I don't think Spike would be happy in an apartment.
 

Pipelineozzy

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You could be right Kim. And honestly..when homes don't work out...it makes breeders wonder about their screening ability.
 

DAWNMERIE

Active member
Spoke with Vince about this tonight on our walk, he mentioned that these Wolf-Hybrids have issues in certain states legally...Just went online to look up and here is a reason that she may be having a problem...

New York- allowed as long as the hybrid is 5 generations removed from the wild

Texas- illegal to selling, trading, bartering, or auctioning of a dangerous animal or animal parts; as for owning, that is determined per county
 

Kodabear

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The breeder told us when we first got Spike that, legally, spike is not classified as a wolf hybrid. He is classified as a domestic dog. Although he does have wolf in his line it is far enough back that he does not fall into that category.
 

lilly06

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Ok...Flame suit on here...in advance.
As a breeder...I know exactly where she is coming from. In a case like this, where Spike is admittedly a high maintenance breed (like newfs,in a way)...I suspect she has a strong preference that they go to homes that have sought out the particular breed. My feeling would be in this situation, the parents are taking the dog to keep their child happy, not because this is their "chosen" dog. Honestly? It's not an unreasonable thought process on her part. I know my mom LOVED my dogs, was happy to babysit them when I needed her to..but she was NOT interested in owning a huge hairy slobbering beast on an every day basis. Had I been forced into a position where I could NOT keep one of them..she likely would have taken the dog to keep me from being unhappy, but it would, in no way, be her "hearts desire" to have to cope with a breed that was not suited to her. Now...yes..your parents have been considering another dog anyway, but, in reality...had they ever considered contacting this breeder to get a dog like Spike? I think that's where the breeder is coming from, honestly. And for the most part, I understand her thinking.

I am not a breeder but I have to agree with this approach.

I understand that you are frustrated and want to do the right thing for Spike. But I do have to say that I actually respect your breeder a lot by sticking to her contract. There are so many breedes out there that don't even give a rip as to happens to their pups once they are removed from their home. I don't think that you will have anything to worry about once you surrender Spike back to the breeder. She obviously cares about her dogs a lot and will find the right home for Spike.
 

Sound Bay Newfs

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It is good to hear that your breeder is responsible with a breed like Spike. It is not a breed that can just go to any home. She probably wants to place him where he will fit in best and with people who are educated with the breed itself and the responsibilities associated with owning a hybrid. The breeder does know the breed the best and what situations the dogs work out and don't. It seems to me that she is trying to avoid any negative situations or issues for herself, the dog, and the owner. She may not to rehome him to your parents because she might think you will just end up with the dog again at some point.
 

Kodabear

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He wouldn't end up with me because my parents would be his forever home. With you saying, she is scared Spike would end up back with me... :( What's that supposed to mean? I don't consider myself a bad pet owner. We made this decision because Spike would not be happy in such a small living area. I could have taken the selfish way out and just taken him with us to a place he would have hated. On Thursday, he goes back to the breeder, I am extremely upset about it but I know it's for the best. I also went out of my way to help the breeder find a home for him that I know he would have been happy at. These decisions aren't easy, and yes I am frustrated, but keep in mind I am doing the right thing for Spike.

If that is not the way you meant your comment, I am sorry.
 

rayt

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Most of us on here think of our pets as a member of our family and would not move to a place without somehow accommodating that member. Life throws you some curve balls and you do the best that you can. I understand that you are trying to do the best thing for Spike and are very sad. I don't think anyone on here is trying to make you feel badly, but is trying to shed some light from a breeder's perspective (or a different perspective, as the case may be). In the end, I hope Spike gets a new forever home (and it sounds like he will) and if you are able to reestablish a relationship with the breeder, you will be able to in some way track his progress. For whatever it's worth, I think you may have to see where you may be a fault in order to come to a common understanding and re-establish that relationship. Again, I'm sorry for you, Spike and the rest of your family.
 

Kodabear

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Thanks for that Rayt. My relationship with the breeder will continue because I care about what happens to Spike. Also, I know the breeder isn't doing any of this to spite me, she has an important job, and though it may be frustrating me now, I'm sure it's in the best interest of the breed.
 

rayt

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Ouch? I'm not trying to be insensitive. I'm certain you are a great pet owner - we are all on here because we love our pets. I'm just trying to give you an objective opinion from someone who does not know you and is just reading your threads.
 

Kodabear

New member
No no! I wasn't being sarcastic with you. Honestly, thanks. Again this dictates the need for a sarcasm font :)
 

rayt

New member
It's hard to be funny when you need to state that you are joking. Maybe we should all agree that we will italicize all sarcasm and jokes? Thanks for the clarification.
 

Sound Bay Newfs

Active member
I never at all meant it would not be good if Spike stayed with you and I admire that you are trying to do the right thing for him. But the whole point of this thread was to get a breeder's perspective of the contract and what Spikes breeder could be thinking of the situation.
 

Kodabear

New member
Yes, you're right. I'm sorry. I have been going through many emotions these past few days. I didn't mean to take them out on you.
 

Kodabear

New member
An update:
I have been absent for the last few days because we took Spike back to Colorado and I needed some time to distance myself from the situation. We had a safe trip back. No mean words were said by either party. I made sure to tell the breeder what type of things Spike likes to do and what makes him happy. I'm having a very hard time coping with this loss. I hope that I did what was best for all parties and that Spike will be placed in a home with lots of space where he will flourish. I will hang on to that, and try to lessen my heartache.

I think it has also affected Koda and I hope that in time she will realize that our "pack" can be okay without Spike. I don't know how I could have prepared her for this change. She is just confused and it breaks my heart.

As far as life lessons go, next time I will go over the contract with a lawyer beforehand. I will also be weary of 30+ page contracts(seriously, that's how long it was.) I will avoid at all costs moving to a place where one of my dogs wouldn't be comfortable. Unfortunately, this move was unavoidable.
 
It sure makes me think about carefully reading any future contracts. I wouldn't want to sign a contract where the dog wasn't truly mine.
I have moved more times than I can count, just out of curiosity, I may have missed it in another post, why was the move to a NY apartment unavoidable?
 

janices

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I know a lot of people don't really go over contracts. It's I want a puppy. But you should. Some breeders have no leeway from their contract and some do. I always tell future puppy owners read the contract and if not comfortable walk away. Most of us learn the hard way about reading contracts.
 

baloobear2

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Lisa, I have been thinking about you and your pups...I hope you will find some peace, and know that you did what you felt you had to do given your circumstances...Koda is a newf, their resilent and he will flourish with lots of love from you two! Take care and good luck in your new home!
 
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