Breeder?

[R Taft]

Just my two cents and it isn't probably worth that much, but I believe breeding (by reputable breeders) IS INDEED a science. Perhaps not astrophysics (i.e. rocket science) but it most definitely is biological and genetic science. The lists, records, checks, rechecks, understanding of trait chromosomes, linking from on dog to the next...oh my goodness! The list goes on and on. Breeders have a very scientific job in order to maintain and improve the quality of the breed. And this isn't limited to show dog or future breeders. This is for the puppy that I want to purchase. That is a companion, lines as free as possible from genetic maladies and/or disease, personality all the type we want in our companion dogs. I daresay, breeding may not by rocket science but it is most definitely science and only through education, study and a lot of time spent going over records and genetics is the way to achieve.

I totally agree, I only have to have a discussion with my breeder/mentor and some other breeders and listen to them talk about/discuss the genetics, diseases, lineages and so much more........Their anatomy knowledge, disease/illness knowledge and their pre-natal anti-natal/healthcare (especially orthopedic) knowledge is incredible. I have been on the sideline of newfies for a very long time. I have a great interest, but I have nowhere near the knowhow of some of the breeders i know here. We are lucky now that we have the wide world of web, because there are many great opportunities to learn and to discuss with even more people.

I for one always love these open discussions. I hate (not for private stuff)) it when people say pm me, because I think oh-no I might miss out on learning something new.

There will always be sh...-stirrers everywhere, but funnily enough they often still start interesting topics to learn from

 

[cedarvalleynewfoundlands]

You people have blown this way out of the ball park. As far as I can see there is no "trolling" here. It's a simple question that should have a simple answer. And I honestly believe that it was answered in the very next post, the answer opened up a few more questions, to be expected.
Breeding is not rocket science, no one ever said it wasent science. Just not rocket science. I'm sure breeding "can" be difficult. If done properly.
I'm just trying to understand the terminology, who decides who is what, and why.

As a breeder who is currently in the process of making lots of changes to my
breeding ideas and program, I find this thread interesting. First, breeding IS difficult, not something that "can" be difficult. It is also an art AND a science. As someone else noted, I also have
enough education to be a rocket scientist, but chose to be
an advanced practice nurse instead. IMHO it is the ART of
breeding that is difficult, the science is the easy part, and the part I understand
best (smile). I could explain the science and genetics better than lots
of people BUT I cant explain why my puppies dont look
like Iwant them too. However, those who have been in this breed for years
COULD explain it. I have found if one asks for help, asks qpuestions and follows
the advice given, there is lots of help out there. JMO

 

[911Newfs]

Some interesting things about Dollyboons - notice any similarities?

https://www.facebook.com/DollyBoons

http://www.topix.com/member/profile/dollyboons

http://www.topix.com/forum/pets/TSRVS6L7OSG05P4B1

http://www.youtube.com/user/DollyBoons

http://www.topix.com/forum/pets/T8RB5IQ5FRSVBQQ36/p2

http://seattle.citysearch.com/review/10811980?reviewId=62703351

http://forums.simsdaily.com/search.php?searchid=2908527

http://174.121.80.206/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi?q=DollyBoons

http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamas...school_students_bri/2793/comments-newest.html

http://www.topix.net/forum/county/clackamas-or

http://archive.tellytube.in/Bethany+Hubbard/

http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamas...high_school_students_bri/2793/comments-2.html








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[Sun Valley]

BUT I cant explain why my puppies dont look
like Iwant them too. However, those who have been in this breed for years
COULD explain it. I have found if one asks for help, asks qpuestions and follows
the advice given, there is lots of help out there. JMO

Well said Mary!

LA

 

[Sun Valley]

Many of us have noticed the many similarities Patti.

LA

 

[Jeannie]

Many of us have noticed the many similarities Patti.

LA

It has been noted. You know, in my experience in forums, when someone wants to cause trouble the feed off the replies they get. So why don't we all just not comment on any post or thread.

 

[ardeagold]

So Jeannie, are you saying nobody should respond to Social or her many aliases? Just trying to be sure of what you're saying.

 

[ArtfulCharm]

It has been noted. You know, in my experience in forums, when someone wants to cause trouble the feed off the replies they get. So why don't we all just not comment on any post or thread.

I would agree with you about not engaging, but in the case of this post I have to disagree. I think it turned into and interesting discussion on breeding practices that I enjoyed following. I can't say that was the intent of the OP, but other than the few posts regarding identity, this thread has been very interesting and could be useful to many people out there. If you look at Ronnie and Mary's posts above, it seems like they agree. Personal issues aside, I think this has been a very civil, informative thread about breeding practices.

 

[Jeannie]

I'm saying to comment and make the thread educational but don't direct your post to her.

 

[rayt]

Oh come on, Jeannie. This is becoming ridiculous. Most of us are over the age of 6. Do we really need to have threads locked, lists of infractions posted and ways in which to deal with each other? If I have a stinkbug in my house, I get rid of it, or else it stinks up my house. If GAD wants to continue to invite us to his house, (with all due respect), he occasionally needs to clean it up.

 

[pabusinesswoman]

Oh come on, Jeannie. This is becoming ridiculous. Most of us are over the age of 6. Do we really need to have threads locked, lists of infractions posted and ways in which to deal with each other? If I have a stinkbug in my house, I get rid of it, or else it stinks up my house. If GAD wants to continue to invite us to his house, (with all due respect), he occasionally needs to clean it up.

Though I would not have put it in the same terms, I have to agree with the concept.

Though don't have the ability to check, it's been noted through other sources Social and DB have the same IP address. The posts are similar and they are trying to cause the same havoc on the board... so it's either one person using a 2nd name (not allowed per the rules) or 2 different people in the same house trying to cause the same havoc. Many of us know this already.

Regulars who have been great contributors to this board have noted the issues. The person causing the issues get no recourse while those trying to point out the issues or don't agree with her viewpoint get a scolding or banned publicly by Jeannie. They're something wrong there... just saying.

There are a multitude of people with Newf knowledge that don't want to post on here due anymore due to the above stated and it hurts the overall point of the board. The board is to help to educate people and offer advice. Pictures are safe but anymore it seems like any topic that may show different viewpoints or tries to really educate folks some how ends up getting blocked anymore or a great contributor of knowledge gets a scolding. Not everyone is going to see eye to eye when you have this many people.

I am not trying to cause havoc on the board or any issues and I do realize that there is a fine line keeping a civil board. I don't envy the mods at all. I'm just trying to point out an issue that has been voiced multiple times over in various venues that you may want to further examine.

 

[Jeannie]

So don't get on me about this. GAD has looked into this and he is the one that has to make a final banning decision. We all know about Social. I suggest you contact GAD to make your complaint. Again he is the only one who can ban some one for good. Social has done nothing against the rules to get a temporary ban. While the IP address is the same GAD says it does not mean it is the same person or even the same house. Many people in an area can have the same IP address. I know there is a lot of things alike but GAD will not assume. So again, contact GAD if you have a problem. Don't make me to be the bad person.

As far as being over the age of 6. We most of us are but many times we don't act like it. Yes we need locked posts, infractions and what not. If you have a problem contact GAD.

I will say that many times GAD has almost shut NN down because of the arguing.

As far as me banning someone. You don't know the whole story so don't condemn me until you do. The person that got a temporary ban was warned many times to not do what she did that was against the rules. Both mods have to agree when applying a temporary ban. Just because I was the one who physically did it makes me the bad one? Even GAD agreed with the temporary ban. Have a problem? Contact GAD.

 

[Jager's Mom]

Remember when we were kids...we would call people on the phone (yes before caller ID) and just sit there and not say anything? Or call and prank call them? We'd keep calling and calling because it was entertaining us. It was fun.

Think about this...when the people would QUIT answering the phone...and just let the phone ring... it wasn't fun anymore. So we would quit calling/pranking them.

Maybe it's best to simply STOP replying to any threads/posts by Social or DB. If they/she/he has nothing to go on (meaning no replys from us)...then they/she/he will stop causing issues (even if that's not what they/he/she means to do).

Either way, NN can go back to being a happy, healthy, helpful place for those that come her for a comman reason...our Newfs.

Nicely put...neither GAD nor the moderators needs to ban Social or DB... if no one is responding to them, then aren't they somewhat "banned"?

Or if you feel the need to respond to them because you feel like you want to help them learn from your newf experience...then simply PM them/him/her your answer. That way they get what they need, you can give your advice and NN doesn't have to be disturbed by craziness.

 

[mareserinitatis]

Remember when we were kids...we would call people on the phone (yes before caller ID) and just sit there and not say anything? Or call and prank call them? We'd keep calling and calling because it was entertaining us. It was fun.

Think about this...when the people would QUIT answering the phone...and just let the phone ring... it wasn't fun anymore. So we would quit calling/pranking them.

Maybe it's best to simply STOP replying to any threads/posts by Social or DB. If they/she/he has nothing to go on (meaning no replys from us)...then they/she/he will stop causing issues (even if that's not what they/he/she means to do).

Either way, NN can go back to being a happy, healthy, helpful place for those that come her for a comman reason...our Newfs.

Nicely put...neither GAD nor the moderators needs to ban Social or DB... if no one is responding to them, then aren't they somewhat "banned"?

Or if you feel the need to respond to them because you feel like you want to help them learn from your newf experience...then simply PM them/him/her your answer. That way they get what they need, you can give your advice and NN doesn't have to be disturbed by craziness.

:icon_bb: Exactly.

I guess I'm getting more cynical in my old age: there is very little chance that anything I ever say will change someone's mind. I used to spend hours online arguing with people, but I finally learned that it's best to say your peace and drop it. If they keep coming back and you keep arguing, your response is driving them, and you're just getting all upset over nothing. I'm not willing to give much of my energy to people like that any more...they aren't worth my time...and they're likely going to do what they want anyway. Pay attention to those who actually care about the wisdom and knowledge that you have to share. There are a lot of us on NN.

 

[Jeannie]

Remember when we were kids...we would call people on the phone (yes before caller ID) and just sit there and not say anything? Or call and prank call them? We'd keep calling and calling because it was entertaining us. It was fun.

Think about this...when the people would QUIT answering the phone...and just let the phone ring... it wasn't fun anymore. So we would quit calling/pranking them.

Maybe it's best to simply STOP replying to any threads/posts by Social or DB. If they/she/he has nothing to go on (meaning no replys from us)...then they/she/he will stop causing issues (even if that's not what they/he/she means to do).

Either way, NN can go back to being a happy, healthy, helpful place for those that come her for a comman reason...our Newfs.

Nicely put...neither GAD nor the moderators needs to ban Social or DB... if no one is responding to them, then aren't they somewhat "banned"?

Or if you feel the need to respond to them because you feel like you want to help them learn from your newf experience...then simply PM them/him/her your answer. That way they get what they need, you can give your advice and NN doesn't have to be disturbed by craziness.

Isn't that just what I said in my post above?

 

[Garden_girl]

Though don't have the ability to check, it's been noted through other sources Social and DB have the same IP address.

How would one KNOW this information, unless it came from a moderator or admin? As far as I know - no one else has access to NN logs.

 

[KodysGrandma]

In theory ignoring works well. BUT, for me I cannot ignore those things which I feel very passionately about, one being animals and their care and welfare. I find it so detrimental to my own state of mind NOT to say what I think in those situations that I state my piece. I try and state it without calling anyone names (though at times I would love to) and allow for the possibility that I may have misread something but I am going to say what I think and believe. If they have something to counter me that's fine. I also understand that many of these differences come from a different starting point (the value of animals, epecially dogs, their place in society etc) but I expect people on NN to have at least 99% of the same beliefs I do as bedrock.

Also it is NOT true that it takes 2 to make a fight. One person can do a very effective job on their own- ie the school yard bully who beats up all the other kids. Here 1 troublemaker left on their own without response will leave those who don't know thinking perhaps the OP is correct. What will THAT do? In my view, idiocy should be answered, immediate and firmly. If they don't like it they are as free to leave as anyone else- as some have done when they were not agreed with.

 

[pabusinesswoman]

I think the point was lost above.

1- Several keep posting the similarities to the past for social/ DB. The point was.. for anyone reading the post fully before posting.. that folks know. What GAD does from that point moving forward is up to GAD. Thus, trying to help with rehashing the same issue.

2- My second point was brought to light by the amount of searches I have done on NN and the above reply to LA. Let's forget the banning to get the case in point across.

The search feature is one of the things I like the most about the forum format... something you can't really do in a facebook/ chat board format. When one does a search on a health topic.. of which I have been doing a lot with Solly's heath issues, this issue is brought to light.

Most of the good, informative posts are old posts where people COULD disagree/ hash things out. You could see the good, bad and ugly of all view points involved and come to your own educated conclusion and make your own decision on how to move forward for the betterment of your newf in need. Did some go overboard.. depends how you interpret it. Life's not always rosey nor is conversation. I saw folks passionate about the breed. Regardless of how the posts were worded or who sniped at another, I still learned from the overall. Try it... do a search on a health topic on the board. There are some newer ones.. but the ones with the good "meat" are normally older posts.

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Originally Posted by Sun Valley
Many of us have noticed the many similarities Patti.

LA

Jeannie: It has been noted. You know, in my experience in forums, when someone wants to cause trouble the feed off the replies they get. So why don't we all just not comment on any post or thread.
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The other point was here... LA was just trying to basically inform her people are aware. I don't see where she was trying to cause any trouble at all and in my interpretation... the post back sounds like a threat/ warning. You have posted in other threads that your intent comes across different than you intend...your response comes across as though your attacking LA... what your accusing others of doing....and scolding others for doing! If that's not your intent, that's the way it came across.

 

[Sound Bay Newfs]

We all know about Social......Social has done nothing against the rules to get a temporary ban.

Previuosly posted by Jeannie..."Stirring the pot would be when a person keeps posting things to keep a hot topic to keep it going or starting another thread, on a related topic, when one has been closed...."

So isn't that what she did?

 

[Sun Valley]

Thank you Michelle, but I am pretty thick skinned these days...

I just thinks it's sad that correct information is being missed on this forum.

You can't expect a room full of people to always agree and sometimes arguments will be heated!

Some of you on NN knew what was going with Social/DB or who ever the hell she claimed to be. And it was wrong what she was doing and how she was going about it! Believe me, I have first hand info on that.

And don't you all find it rather strange that 'some' people have become very quiet? They accomplished what they set too. Sad, very sad!

Lou Ann