Breeder?

[Cascadians]

Re identities, trolls etc -- facts, just accurate facts. Otherwise it's all imagination suspicion and supposition. The mods can check IPs and compare. Of course a determined troll can evade detection. But what motivates a troll? There might be a genuine issue that could be addressed as a learning opportunity.

I messaged Dolly Boons directly to ask if she is "Social." Going directly to the accused is often a quicker route to truth and understanding

 

[Jeannie]

she is not interested in learning anything and only wants to pick fights with anyone who doesn't agree with her.
I've had past experience with her, and realize that there is NO interest in learning,

I have to agree with this also. I've seen it many times. As Angela said, only GAD can ban someone. Angela and I can give warnings, infractions and temporary bans. We will be watching this closely

I amazes me how someone thinks they can pull the wool over so many people's eyes. Being online is not as private as some think. The mods have 'power' to see things other cannot and GAD really has ultimate powers. Believe me, this is being watched!

 

[Pipelineozzy]

The bottom line is that someone can spend all the time she wants trying to discredit the accepted modes of practice for reputable, established breeders, in whatever way she wants..and it still won't justify the breeding practices planned. Going out and buying two females and two males and setting up shop isn't going to cut it unless you actually LEARN about breeding and the standard BEFORE you begin. And you can claim it isn't rocket science all you want, but if you are not willing to learn from experienced people..it might as WELL be rocket science because it will still be beyond your comprehension. Enough already. If you don't want to learn, then don't. But don't sit back and whine that nobody would help, because people have TRIED.

 

[Pipelineozzy]

Re identities, trolls etc -- facts, just accurate facts. Otherwise it's all imagination suspicion and supposition. The mods can check IPs and compare. Of course a determined troll can evade detection. But what motivates a troll? There might be a genuine issue that could be addressed as a learning opportunity.

I messaged Dolly Boons directly to ask if she is "Social." Going directly to the accused is often a quicker route to truth and understanding

And you really think she is going to tell you? I have some ocean front property in Saskatchewan...really pretty..great view...
Hugs Leska..you were a Newf in another life.

 

[lotus]

I usually post to the light hearted post and stay away from the disagreements but as they saying goes" i gotta keep it real"
:nono:

Purposly trying to" pick a fight" is just " soooooo not cool!"

 

[Sun Valley]

And I was just going to ask 'social' what her name is and where she's from.

LA

 

[Bella and Gabe]

Just my two cents and it isn't probably worth that much, but I believe breeding (by reputable breeders) IS INDEED a science. Perhaps not astrophysics (i.e. rocket science) but it most definitely is biological and genetic science. The lists, records, checks, rechecks, understanding of trait chromosomes, linking from on dog to the next...oh my goodness! The list goes on and on. Breeders have a very scientific job in order to maintain and improve the quality of the breed. And this isn't limited to show dog or future breeders. This is for the puppy that I want to purchase. That is a companion, lines as free as possible from genetic maladies and/or disease, personality all the type we want in our companion dogs. I daresay, breeding may not by rocket science but it is most definitely science and only through education, study and a lot of time spent going over records and genetics is the way to achieve.

 

[Sun Valley]

Just my two cents and it isn't probably worth that much, but I believe breeding (by reputable breeders) IS INDEED a science.

But it's worth alot! You either want to breed the right way or you don't. You either want to learn or you don't. Breeding is a continuous learning experience and if your not learning anything, then maybe you shouldn't be breeding.

LA

 

[ArtfulCharm]

Just my two cents and it isn't probably worth that much, but I believe breeding (by reputable breeders) IS INDEED a science. Perhaps not astrophysics (i.e. rocket science) but it most definitely is biological and genetic science. The lists, records, checks, rechecks, understanding of trait chromosomes, linking from on dog to the next...oh my goodness! The list goes on and on. Breeders have a very scientific job in order to maintain and improve the quality of the breed. And this isn't limited to show dog or future breeders. This is for the puppy that I want to purchase. That is a companion, lines as free as possible from genetic maladies and/or disease, personality all the type we want in our companion dogs. I daresay, breeding may not by rocket science but it is most definitely science and only through education, study and a lot of time spent going over records and genetics is the way to achieve.

No, you are exactly right! I am starting the process of getting things in order to breed my girl: OFA testing done, water and draft titles done, working on CH, going over lines and talking about stud dogs with experienced breeders, etc, etc. I knew there was a lot to do, but it is more nerve wracking than I ever imagined. I'm so worried about doing everything right! And even more worried about the pregnancy and whelping!

I think a good breeder is part biologist, part geneticist, researcher, detective, nurse, doctor, public relations, and on and on. There is SO much that goes into breeding just one litter IF you really want to do things the right way and produce puppies that are as good or better than their parents.

 

[Social]

You people have blown this way out of the ball park. As far as I can see there is no "trolling" here. It's a simple question that should have a simple answer. And I honestly believe that it was answered in the very next post, the answer opened up a few more questions, to be expected.
Breeding is not rocket science, no one ever said it wasent science. Just not rocket science. I'm sure breeding "can" be difficult. If done properly.
I'm just trying to understand the terminology, who decides who is what, and why.

 

[mareserinitatis]

Well, breeding isn't rocket science. It's dog breeding. And anyone can be a dog breeder, whereas to be a rocket scientist takes years of school, talent, and a high level of intelligence. I would hate to offend any real rocket scientists.
Thank you for narrowing down the questions, what it looks like to me is, they are all pretty loose. And none are "professional". A "BYB" could "elevated" to "reputable" breeder with mentorship of someone considered (by whom is not clear) "responsible"?
If a "BYB" fills all other requirements but breeds only to their own males, are they still "BYB's"? How many qualifications need to be met before a "BYB" goes to responsible, or puppy mill to BYB?

As someone who has enough education to be a rocket scientist (although I find stars and planets more interesting), dog breeding is still hard. It's a lot of work, and properly caring for dogs such that they are members of the family and not just livestock. Genetics and testing should always be first consideration when looking at breeding. Heck, I've got a friend who is a rancher, and she's more careful about her cattle than most dog breeders I know. She takes her cattle to shows, gets involved in legislation involving ranching, and is working to improve her stock. She travels all over the world, working with other ranchers to improve ranching practices. So if I'm looking at a reputable breeder, I think that if they can't match was she's doing with a couple hundred cows using just a handful of dogs, then they're not taking seriously the breeders responsibility to develop a line that, at a minimum, measures up to the standards.

 

[lotus]

You people have blown this way out of the ball park. As far as I can see there is no "trolling" here. It's a simple question that should have a simple answer. And I honestly believe that it was answered in the very next post, the answer opened up a few more questions, to be expected.
Breeding is not rocket science, no one ever said it wasent science. Just not rocket science. I'm sure breeding "can" be difficult. If done properly.
I'm just trying to understand the terminology, who decides who is what, and why.

Come on now......you knew what you were doing:devil:

 

[ardeagold]

Lotus, I'm sure she does know what she's doing...since the same exact comment was made on another forum by another of our members, Dollyboons.

Here, read and enjoy. It's a public forum...and it's only a 3 page thread, although Dollyboons doesn't come into the conversation until page 2 and continues on page 3. Not many posts, but the same exact thing (in the same words) was being said there that's being said here (and has been repeated on this forum in other threads started by Dollyboons).

I find it interesting how DB and Social have the exact same attitude and use the exact same words. Amazingly alike. I feel like I have deja vu.

Please note the rocket scientist reference there as well. Page 3 post #23

Oh and note the reply to that post. Glad to see that not only Newf breeders see things the same way.

BTW, you do not have to join to read, and to get rid of the ad on the side, look for the grey bar on the top or bottom...there's a small white "x" on the right.

http://www.i-love-dogs.com/forums/dog-breeder-chat/21006-newfoundland-breeders.html

 

[Cascadians]

Andreagold, those pages could have been lifted right out of Newf Net, so many similarities in reaction.

I have to think about all this. Very strange to say the least. My perception of this poster is a little different than most neurotypicals, and I've messaged Dolly Boons today and also gotten some very odd feedback off Facebook. Feedback that has just been verified as fact.

My only conclusion so far is that we're dealing with an abnormal person who does not understand how or why she is viewed as abnormal. I cannot assume what the motivations are except it revolves around breeding.

A very strange detective story and unfolding novel. Very strange.

 

[Cascadians]

It's interesting. I'm abnormal but until recently did not know why. I drove ppl crazy for reasons never explained and I never understood, and have always perceived things differently. Ppl ascribed all sorts of erroneous motivations to me. When I realized I had autism it explained so much. I'm still weird but at peace with it, and know others aren't going to understand, just ain't gonna happen.

So I have a different perspective on all this, also have met Dolly Boons and her family in person and liked them all.

Just have to think about all this, know more will surface in the wash. Very strange.

 

[jane]

Lotus, I'm sure she does know what she's doing...since the same exact comment was made on another forum by another of our members, Dollyboons.

Here, read and enjoy. It's a public forum...and it's only a 3 page thread, although Dollyboons doesn't come into the conversation until page 2 and continues on page 3. Not many posts, but the same exact thing (in the same words) was being said there that's being said here (and has been repeated on this forum in other threads started by Dollyboons).

I find it interesting how DB and Social have the exact same attitude and use the exact same words. Amazingly alike. I feel like I have deja vu.

Please note the rocket scientist reference there as well. Page 3 post #23

Oh and note the reply to that post. Glad to see that not only Newf breeders see things the same way.

BTW, you do not have to join to read, and to get rid of the ad on the side, look for the grey bar on the top or bottom...there's a small white "x" on the right.

http://www.i-love-dogs.com/forums/dog-breeder-chat/21006-newfoundland-breeders.html

Don't try a put anything by Donna:!rolling: Now I remember exactly who that is! Your right Donna!!!

 

[Sun Valley]

Of course Donna is right!
And it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure it out...

LA

 

[Social]

You are absolutely right Emmie. If you are willing to learn, and understand that you don't "know it all", there are people who are willing to help you attain your goals. It doesn't matter what stage you are at - there is always someone who has more experience and more knowledge. Even the most experienced and reputable breeders often consult amongst themselves on a regular basis - "have you ever seen this? What did you do?" If you go into it with the right attitude, people will come out of the woodwork and be excited and happy that someone is expressing true interest in the breed, and the will help you. If, however, you come out thinking you don't NEED help, or with comments like "breeding is not rocket science"...then you won't GET help!! It's one of the joys, also..of club membership...exposure to the kind of people that CAN and WILL act as mentors.

The "rocket science" post was a response to this, maybe she's dollyboons?!?

 

[ardeagold]

No, Dollyboons thinks she knows more than everyone else on this forum, especially those who have owned Newfs for decades. She pokes and prods and thinks she's funny and clever. (And makes the same spelling/writing style errors over and over. She's easy to spot.) But, maybe she is...in her mind. We'll never know.

 

[KodysGrandma]

If that's supposed to mean me I don't think you'll get too far with it. Too many know me in person. And obviously Cindy isn't so this is WAY off the mark. I have to agree with Bella and Gabe and several others. A comment saying breeding isn't "rocket science" while literally true is snide at the very least. Genetics is very much more complicated that many other dog topics and when reputable breeders discuss "breeding" it includes a danged lot more than putting a male and female dog together and hoping it will take. When those genetics need to include several areas of expertise it becomes even more difficult. Size, temperament, color, health, double recessives etc. produce something a great deal more difficult than some of the Mendelian squares you might have dabbled with in high school. Trying to demean the difficulty of doing it well leads me at least, to the conclusion that person does NOT want to do it well. That's so sad for the Newfs we love. Final note from me- I don't breed, never have, do not want to. I have a pet Newf who is a rehome and while I have the papers and could register him I have no interest in doing so. I also have the utmost respect for the people on here who love the breed, try to do their best and most importantly are willing to pass their knowledge and experience along. Differences of opinion possible- sure, that's why people get second opinions from doctors.