5 Landseer Puppies!!!!!

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coblein

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I am so happy for you and Tasha too!! Hey I had a feeling the boys would out number the girls this round! I hope you are getting enough rest
I can't wait to see the photos when you get a chance to post.
BIG kisses from Ethie
 

ROM Newf

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Christine,
You wouldn't get any "skeleton" being discharged/passed. The bones aren't hard bones but cartilege prior to birth. Usually everything is resorbed into the system so there isn't normally a discharge.
The green discharge you had prior to the first pup whelping indicates that the placenta of at least one pup had separated from the wall of the uterus.
Congrats on the puppies.
 

sarnewfie

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ooops ROM sorry i missed this post, question.
i was told the bones calcify by a certain day, so that does not harden them than?
just curious is all.
so absorbtion does not necessarily lead to any kind of abnormal discharge.
that is weird.
thanx for the info
 

ROM Newf

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They may be calcified but not hard and the calcium would be resorbed along with all the other tissue. Cartilege is also calcified tissue.
Resorbing of pups will not have discharge in the bitch. In many cases of resorbtion, unless a pregnancy has been confirmed thru ultrasound or xrays, you won't even know the bitch was definitely pregnant. With Sarah, we suspected pregnancy but it wasn't confirmed and she didn't have any puppies. When bred a second time, we suspected pregnancy again, palpated her and puppies were found, but I don't think we ultrasounded her until 7 weeks and it showed nothing. After the 3rd breeding, ultrasound showed 2 pups at 5 weeks. The litter then aborted at 7 weeks. She did have a discharge. She was receiving progesterone in oil treatments because her progesterone level was dropping and even with the progesterone supplements, her progesterone plummeted overnight and she aborted the litter. Aborting puppies will cause the bitch to have a discharge. She was spayed shortly after that.
 

sarnewfie

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First i am so sorry that happened. how disapointing and frustrating.
next, how confusing, i thought aborting and absorbtion were the same thing just different terms.
i think i understand though, my vet mentioned abort and discharge, and maybe that is where the confusion lies for myself, i thought she said absorbtion.
do you know what causes this drop in progesterone that causes the loss of the litter?
is it microplasma or thyroid or a mystery?
 

ROM Newf

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When fetuses (fetusi??? :confused: ) are resorbed, the dam's body absorbs them- nothing is discharged. Abortion is when she "delivers" them thru the vagina- but sometimes they start to decompose before they are "delivered" - so you get a yucky black discharge.
Don't know why Sarah couldn't maintain a high progesterone level. Her thyroid and everything were completely normal. No infections, no mycoplasmas, no nothing. Between breeding #2 and breeding #3 we pulled out all the stops to get her pregnant- and then to keep her pregnant. Dr. Hutchinson was called in as a consultant and he was telling our vet what to do and when. But it just wasn't meant to be. When we had her spayed, we fully expected her ovaries and uterus to be a mess- with cysts or growths or.... They weren't - Everything was perfectly normal looking.
 

newfvo

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When the bitch I previously posted about failed to whelp the two puppies confirmed on x-ray a week prior to her due date, it was assumed that her body would reabsorb the two fetuses completely with some discharge. While there was some slight discharge there was not alot. Upon spaying the girl about 3 months later, her uterus was found to have calcified bone fragments inside. Dr. Hutch who performed the spay said that he had only seen this one other time.

Go figure?!
 

sarnewfie

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Sue, had you not spayed her, what would have happened health wise to her?
with the calcium fragments in the uterus would that have caused a terrible infection?
or no cause for concern?
thanx for the info.
ROM mom and dad had a schnauzer years ago such as yours, they said to, it just was not meant to be.
to bad, i bet she would have produced some really nice offspring.
 

newfvo

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It was amazing that she did not have one of the bones puncture her uterus nor have any infection. She was put on Cephalexin for 14 days at the time we discovered she was reabsorbing so I don't know what would have happened if left alone. Scarry, scarry time. Just another example of what you risk every time you decide to breed. You can never discount the possibility of loosing the bitch. It should make you think long and hard before going ahead and breeding.

SUSAN
 

sarnewfie

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Sue
you could not be more right on that, i almost lost my beloved morgan, in fact during her pregnancy i knew something was not right, and told someone i knew, i think i am going to loose my morgan on this one, thank goodness my vet pulled her and one puppy thru.
had it not been for the dedication of both the vets in that office at the time, i doubt we could have saved her.
i am grateful for the gutt feelings and instincts that i listen to, if i ignore them i get into trouble, and each and every breeding i am fully aware that something can go awfully wrong, not something you want your children to experience first hand, and i tell families this when they say they want their kids to experience the birthing process, i ask them, are you ready to expose them to the possible crisis, and death of mom and babies if it should happen and it does?
and it makes them think twice.
thanx for sharing guys i appreciate it!
i never heard of the bones, but did hear of one case of a mummified fetus in the womb, when a spay was done a year after that female delivered a litter, unbelievable that female did not get infected and die.
it is hearsay and i dont know how true it is but.....the story is out there....
 

Jeannie

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This thread is dates 2003. How come everyone is congratulating for a litter that is 8 years old? I believe Tonka and a few were this litter.
 

Bluedog

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How did this thread even get in this forum??? The breeders forum didn't exist in 2003. Looks like a couple of old threads have been moved here. I think some may think these are new threads.
 
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Angela

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Not sure what's happening here. I went back to the "beginning" threads and there are many pages, the dates all mixed up. Wonder if something happened when GAD was doing his housework here.
Think I will just close this one, it's too confusing!!!
 
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